I stopped by my local dealer yesterday to shoot the breeze as I do 3 or 4 times a week.......
The service manager tells me that they dynoed a couple 09 touring bikes that had the SE stage 1 air cleaner and slip ons installed........one was Rineharts the other was Rush.
BOTH BIKES HAD NO TUNER INSTALLED........ The A/F mixture was perfect at all RPM'S!!!!
Ready????
I was told there is no need for a tuner and they were not going to "push" the Super tuner or and thing else for that matter because it wasnt needed.....
Anybody else here this???
Its a dog eat dog world and I'm wearin milkbone underware!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
from past experience with harley, I would have to say B S harley has a hard time to meet EPA standards each and every year, so why would this year be different, besides harley is not going to miss the chance to sell goody add-on to the bike tuners and dyno time are very big bucks to them
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Hey, not to bash another dealer professional but I'm sceptical. For this to be true, it would have had to be utilizing a learning ECM and I'm not aware that H-D has gone to that step.
I'll investigate.
A heart stained in anger grows weak and grows bitter, you'll become your own prisoner as you watch yourself sit there wrapped up in a trap of your very own chain of sorrow.
-John Prine
There has to be more to his story. The 2008 Touring ECM was 34246-08. The 2009 ECM is 34246-08A.
Sure, the designator indicates an upgrade but sweet Jesus, if H-D had incorporated a learning ECM into their line-up more than one Dyno operator would know.
Also, AFR is only one element of a tuning. The ECM controls EVERYTHING. Cold and hot idle, ambient temp effects and load characteristics. It's beyond me how someone could claim that a stock ECM can learn within its parameters using either the Rinehart or Rush slip-on. Both are a peformance pipe and require tuning according to bothe the slip-on manufacturers AND the MoCo.
In the words of Penn & Teller, I'm calling bullshit.
A heart stained in anger grows weak and grows bitter, you'll become your own prisoner as you watch yourself sit there wrapped up in a trap of your very own chain of sorrow.
-John Prine
First there is no way the AFR is "Perfect" unless they abolished the EPA since last year.
The New ECM has a few different features with the electronic throttle and I suspect that would be -08A reason.
I agree with Kegan, BS.
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I have had a set of HD Touring Muffs 65259-00 fitter to my 09 Roadking Classic for 6 months without any problem. I then decided to put a SE Stage 1 filter kit on the bike pinked like hell. The temp in our country at the moment is 20 degrees so not hot at all.
I have had to fit a V&H Fuelpack to solve the problem.
Me thinks someone is telling toy porkies.
Regards
George
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